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Version: 0.84beta2
by: coolmodi [More]


As of patch 2.2.10 the necessary API functionality for this addon was patched out, it will only work for yourself. Everything else isn't distinguishable anymore. -> THIS ADDON IS DEAD.
A discussion about that can be found here: Spy Addon Group Damage

I just leave it here in case something changes again in the future, or I see another reason to update it with different functionality. Untill then this is pretty much useless





Update beta 0.84 (17.01)
Changelog:
  • Removed as much of the filtering in LUA as possible and used event filters instead, in theory this should mean better performance in huge fights.
  • Added another method for finding names, it is no longer neccessary to directly heal/buff/attack to get names. This should work much better now.
  • Various other changes to the way the addon works behind the scenes, mostly to make it ready for extended combat statistics. Need feedback if there's any performance impact!
  • Combat time now uses milliseconds, should be much better for very short fights.
  • Player filter should now work as intended.
  • "Missing group member check" is now just an x/y display, clicking on it shows a list of names.
  • Various options for showing and hiding the panel on entering/leaving combat.
  • Minor UI changes, bars now also alternate between 2 colors, see settings.
  • A lot of other changes I can't remember
  • VERY SUPER CRAPPY ALPHA of the planned statistics module, it's really just an abomination right now, but for damage it's basically a working ability breakdown with name, dmg, #hit and crit% for the current fight for a selected target and unit. It doesn't scroll, only shows the 10 top targets/units/abilities, and also looks just disgusting.

    It's just the result of me trying various things. Don't expect much! Don't report bugs for this!
    To check it out activate it in settings, open it with the button on the panel, click "test" -> "current combat", clicking on a unit will show the abilities, the left column are the targets sorted by dmg recieved, click on them to see only dmg done to that target.

If ZOS decides to not remove it, then the roadmap would look like that:
  1. Improve some of the old updateloop code.
  2. Stats module to have both dmg and heal stats for all fights in the history, with the ability to filter for specific targets out of a list and show ability stats for specific units. Like FTCs statistics just for every unit, including bosses/NPCs.
  3. Additional combat statistics, depending on what the API provides that could mean death counters, an aproximate "activity time" for units, CC and rezz counters and other stuff that works.
  4. Ability to save fights permanently to check them out later.


Description
This addon is a damage/heal tracker that works for the whole group on its own, and it's also planned to feature complete combat statistics.

This is a beta version, it reportedly works fine with only minor problems. The absolute dmg/heal numbers should be correct, but combat time may be different from other addons, so dps/hps is also different to some degree!

Tips for use
Because of API limitations it's still impossible to get the names of units right away.
Generally names should be found just by standing near people who fight, it's very rare for me to not get the names in the first fight, even when just standing in visual range and not beeing involved.

If it should fail to work on itself somehow, you/the others can do the following to make names show up:
  • Healing/buffing/attacking someone or getting healed/buffed/attacked will give you the name of the target.
  • Someone activating self-buffs, eating buff food etc. will provide you with the name.

When in group you'll see a display on the left top of the panel if members are still unknown to the addon, clicking on that shows the names.

I don't know how pets are handled, don't even know how they show up, never tested that.

#IDnumber just means you have no info about this unit, damage/heal tracking works fine though, you just won't see a name until the addon can assign one. You also won't see group members with missing info while in group filter, use the missing member checklist to make sure you have everyone!

Type "/gd" for info about chat commands, "/gd o" for option menu (or just go in addon settings). In options there's also short guide for the UI buttons, but they should be quite clear.
Version 0.82
- names now get saved with zos string format initially
- save only x fights in history, number can be changed
- account wide settings
- clear all (only chat command for now)
- group members unknown list, shown when in group mode and not all members are tagged

Version 0.81
- performance improvements, add up damage/heal when it's dealt with a queue system and not everything again all the time
- hit event data is now only saved until it is processed in the queue
- arrays changed to reflect changes
- using zo_strformat for names, fixes ^suffixes
- main target calculation revamp, now just goes through the new dmgRecieved number that gets updated already in the eventqueue
- clear fight changed to work with new array format

Version 0.8
- initial release
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Unread 01/16/16, 09:57 AM  
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Originally Posted by coolmodi
I didn't judge anyone, I only stated what general type of people are involved in this discussion from my point of view.
If you're not conscious of your own words and reasoning, there's nothing I can do or say to make you aware of it.
Everyone can read the thread on the official forum (link further below on this page), there are opinions from pretty much all sides and everyone can make up their own mind.
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Unread 01/16/16, 09:14 AM  
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Originally Posted by Nita
Thank you for providing such a perfect demonstration of what @AlphaLemming meant, as to why such add ons should not exist in the first place. Its mere existence lets you feel entitled to judge and categorize other players negatively.
I didn't judge anyone, I only stated what general type of people are involved in this discussion from my point of view.

Originally Posted by Nita
Lacking the addon, people will be forced to ask me first and i'll be free to answer them OR NOT / leave.
And that is bull****, sorry, you can just not join a group, nobody will see how you perform then. This is just a non-argument, and the only one I've seen against this addon.

I can only think of one reason: You want in a party for content you are just not good enough for (maybe even by lying) because you lack gear, a working build, or the will to give it your best (i.e. you want to slack off).

Your dmg/heal is NO SENSITIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION, stop making it look like that.

Originally Posted by Nita
Besides, I'm not sure with whom you run but I run all the time with people who don't categorize others the way you do.
So what is the problem then? Or do you, when running with random people, just let them do the work without them having a way to find out?
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Unread 01/15/16, 08:06 PM  
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Originally Posted by timidobserver
Lacking the addon, you will be forced to link what gear you are wearing, post your dps, and list what skills you are running.
Lacking the addon, people will be forced to ask me first and i'll be free to answer them OR NOT / leave. With this addon, they're not asking me first. That's the whole difference. It's a HUGE difference.
Besides, I'm not sure with whom you run but I run all the time with people who don't categorize others the way you do.
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Originally Posted by Nita
Originally Posted by coolmodi
Imho there are 3 kinds of people involved here:
  1. People who want to be good, who want to achive something with their group/guild.
  2. People who, even when trying, just arent top-notch, but due to at least trying also can't be bad to a point where you'd have problems with them in LFG dungeons or a not-hardcore guild.
  3. People who are bad but also don't want to improve, or are just too lazy in the first place.
Thank you for providing such a perfect demonstration of what @AlphaLemming meant, as to why such add ons should not exist in the first place. Its mere existence lets you feel entitled to judge and categorize other players negatively.
This existence of this addon does not cause judgement or negative categorization. Those things are created by the game itself and the type of content that it has. Even if you whine enough to get addon banned, when participating in difficult group content that is scored based on performance, you will still be judged and categorized no matter what you do.

If this new trial is actually difficult(Sanctum Ophidia when it first launched difficult), the people that are doing it and completing it are not going to take you along if your performance is poor. Banning this addon will not change anything other than how much time is wasted. Lacking the addon, you will be forced to link what gear you are wearing, post your dps, and list what skills you are running.
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Unread 01/15/16, 07:21 PM  
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Originally Posted by coolmodi
Imho there are 3 kinds of people involved here:
  1. People who want to be good, who want to achive something with their group/guild.
  2. People who, even when trying, just arent top-notch, but due to at least trying also can't be bad to a point where you'd have problems with them in LFG dungeons or a not-hardcore guild.
  3. People who are bad but also don't want to improve, or are just too lazy in the first place.
Thank you for providing such a perfect demonstration of what @AlphaLemming meant, as to why such add ons should not exist in the first place. Its mere existence lets you feel entitled to judge and categorize other players negatively.
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Unread 01/15/16, 03:50 PM  
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Originally Posted by timidobserver
If this add-on gets banned, as unlikely as it is to happen due to so many authors having to agree, I'd like to see a boycott of updating all addons after the next dlc.
I see the reasoning for not having something like that in, but seriously, it's a crap reason, it was since this game came out.

Imho there are 3 kinds of people involved here:
  1. People who want to be good, who want to achive something with their group/guild.
  2. People who, even when trying, just arent top-notch, but due to at least trying also can't be bad to a point where you'd have problems with them in LFG dungeons or a not-hardcore guild.
  3. People who are bad but also don't want to improve, or are just too lazy in the first place.

#1 absolutely want something like this, #2 can use it to see where they stand, or the guild can use it to help others improve, and come one, improving your char is what a game like this is about! Getting better yourself is part of that

Only 3 will have problems with this addon, as they may not be able to abuse groups/guilds to do all their work anymore. These people that make it absolute hell for the tank and healer if they get two of those in an LFG, as even a non-vet dungeon will then take long, or even become impossible to do.

This community also isn't nearly as bad as WoW's imho, and even there only the worst of the worst (99% #3) were target of "dmg meter hate", rightly so if you ask me. This may be a game, but you play with others, so at least trying to do your best can be expected. I believe most people with sentiments against this addon are probably #3 too, to some extend at least.

Edit: Anyways: I'll finish up the next version and release it probably this WE, that mostly was planned to evaluate all the changes I made and get feedback for further improvement, but I won't invest much work until this is resolved.
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If this add-on gets banned, as unlikely as it is to happen due to so many authors having to agree, I'd like to see a boycott of updating all addons after the next dlc.
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Unread 01/15/16, 02:20 PM  
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Originally Posted by ZOS_ChipHilseberg
The existence of the unit id in combat events that don't involve you was an oversight and not intended at the time the change was made.
Sad to hear that, but thanks for letting me know.
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Unread 01/15/16, 01:51 PM  
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This is something we've been discussing internally. The existence of the unit id in combat events that don't involve you was an oversight and not intended at the time the change was made. I don't want you to waste a lot of time working with it only to have it patched out, so I'd be wary for the time being.
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Originally Posted by timidobserver
Originally Posted by @AlphaLemming
It is nothing against your addon but most players should not have access to this ...

It is always the same, like in WoW ... now here. People are not able to handle such informations in a social way. "Hey i have the biggest ... you are an loser" instead of helping other to get better. This will grow up in a way like "LF1M DD 25k+ DpS" and not the half of them really know how dps is correctly calculated and the difference between single target dps and aoe dps.
We shouldn't ban addons because idiots exist. Find a better group/guild of people to play with rather than blaming it on the add-on.
Keep calm boy, nobody blame exept you. I have no problem with anyone because of this addon, but i see a problem incoming... (because of 11 years WoW experience)
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Unread 01/15/16, 12:27 PM  
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Originally Posted by QuadroTony
look at this horrible whining about this addon

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com...n-group-damage
Wondered when something like that would pop up

Imho it's just like that: You are in an "we want to be good" guild/group, then be good, improve (and that addon can help with that as you actually know how good you are compared to others), or look for a more casual guild/group that doesn't care about having extreme dps or wiping often.

And everybody can improve, but you first need to know that your build/playstyle sucks, then you can look for mistakes you make, this addon only helps with that.

I will also include more in depth statistics in the future (dmg ranking on specific target, ability breakdown etc.), so it will be even easier to see what others do to have good dps/hps, and it's also easier to tell people what they might do wrong.

I didn't include a post-to-chat option, and I probably won't in the future, because I don't want idiots to go around spam their dmg if they're 1st place.

Originally Posted by EvilMishMash
I keep getting an error with this addon (current version Dec 30, 2015). I have done the clear all a few times but it does not seem to help.

I've enclosed two links of the error screenshots.. Can you advise me on a fix?

http://postimg.org/image/vtgegp4pl/

http://postimg.org/image/edixbuo4t/
There'll be a big update soon, recoded a big part of the addon, so maybe it's fixed already, gonna look into it.
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Originally Posted by timidobserver
Originally Posted by @AlphaLemming
It is nothing against your addon but most players should not have access to this ...

It is always the same, like in WoW ... now here. People are not able to handle such informations in a social way. "Hey i have the biggest ... you are an loser" instead of helping other to get better. This will grow up in a way like "LF1M DD 25k+ DpS" and not the half of them really know how dps is correctly calculated and the difference between single target dps and aoe dps.
We shouldn't ban addons because idiots exist. Find a better group/guild of people to play with rather than blaming it on the add-on.
The existence of idiots is a fact, we have to deal with that fact. This addon should include an opt-out option.
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Originally Posted by @AlphaLemming
It is nothing against your addon but most players should not have access to this ...

It is always the same, like in WoW ... now here. People are not able to handle such informations in a social way. "Hey i have the biggest ... you are an loser" instead of helping other to get better. This will grow up in a way like "LF1M DD 25k+ DpS" and not the half of them really know how dps is correctly calculated and the difference between single target dps and aoe dps.
We shouldn't ban addons because idiots exist. Find a better group/guild of people to play with rather than blaming it on the add-on.
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I keep getting an error with this addon (current version Dec 30, 2015). I have done the clear all a few times but it does not seem to help.

I've enclosed two links of the error screenshots.. Can you advise me on a fix?

http://postimg.org/image/vtgegp4pl/

http://postimg.org/image/edixbuo4t/
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It is nothing against your addon but most players should not have access to this ...

It is always the same, like in WoW ... now here. People are not able to handle such informations in a social way. "Hey i have the biggest ... you are an loser" instead of helping other to get better. This will grow up in a way like "LF1M DD 25k+ DpS" and not the half of them really know how dps is correctly calculated and the difference between single target dps and aoe dps.
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