My first attempt to use these, by modifying the Low Level filter, was a failure. It caused certain CP160 items to appear uncategorized as Other and did not have the intended effect. I suspect that my attempted functions are not even being recognized and trying to call them silently causes an error. The modified Low Level rule:
(The keepresearch() exclusion was an earlier modification to prevent low level research items from being snagged by this rule and never appearing as Researchable.)

How is data typed in LUA? A type mismatch could also be at issue. I have no specifics of the API function GetLevelOrChampionPointsString() or its proper use, only the function name and its arguments. For that matter, it could be the wrong function for the job entirely, since I have no documentation what it does.

The Low Level rule was always misleading for any character that isn't already veteran level. The addition of a character level test is crucial to making it applicable for any character and not just veterans. While many or all of my other many rule and precedence changes are a matter of personal taste, this one is not. If a means to add a character test to it can't be found, then I would recommend removing the rule entirely.

Honestly, I haven't attempted to add rules yet. I'll be digging into that soon because I want to add Set Tracker support. Give it a try though!

My intention was to show you what you can do about your suggestion to get it done. I proposed you a way to contact others. And believe me we are in contact and create library's where possible already since years.
You either need to respect this and if there is no library doing what you want already it's either not possible or Noone thought about it.
That's why I told you about the Gitter channel.

If you are not able to code, ok. You can try to learn it. If you're not interested, ok. But please don't blame the devs then. I think Phinix described it pretty well.
And forgive me if you thought it's sarcasm. You don't know me. I am this way, simple, direct. It was a kind of hint (source code, Gitter) why there is no such library which you have thought of.

But this got nothing to do with lone wolves. We are in contact, several devs on this and other channels

Is this about right to add new filter functions to return character level and CP?
If so, do I just add them to AutoCategory_RuleFunc.lua, or must they also be registered or declared elsewhere?

I agree about not discussing this here anymore. However, I think if most addon authors didn't believe in doing something for the sake of doing something that needs doing as you say, they probably wouldn't be posting all these cool free addons here. They would just make it for themselves and keep it to themselves. The fact they choose to share freely with the world shows by their ACTIONS they are pretty darned enlightened, if you ask me.

Another aspect of enlightened thinking is EMPATHY, and knowing how to treat others with respect and kindness in one's words and deeds. Whether we realize it or not, and whether it is even our intention, the way we come across often fails to convey this simple Golden Rule. Peace.

This is the wrong place for discussions of politics, intellectual property law, and other ideology. I'm going to inspect the code that defines filter functions of this mod and ESO's mod API and see if I can derive one to add the extra function I want. Whether that turns into a collaboration or not is entirely up to others. My ego doesn't rule me and my self-interest is quite enlightened. I don't need my name on a damned thing and I expect nothing. Doing a thing because it needs doing is all that matters. It's continually frustrating that others don't see the wisdom in it.

I get what you are saying in principle. I think the main issue is in the delivery.

However, I also detect a possibly skewed perception here of the nature of modding and the intellectual work of mod programmers in general. Specifically, your statements here appear to suggest you honestly believe that the convenient availability of mods is more important than the rights and considerations of the authors who actually make them, which I find to be a fundamentally flawed way of thinking:


I mean I get they are important to people using them. But think about it. What if someone were to say "I really like the Rolling Stones, and I think great music should continue to be performed even after the artists are too old or no longer interested, egos (and artist's rights) be damned!"

This would clearly be flawed thinking, and United States copyright law flatly disagrees with such an opinion. If you were to simply take another person's work, whether it be words or brush strokes or music or code, and reproduce it without permission, you would be in violation of the law. Furthermore, it is the artists prerogative whether to grant LICENSE to perform or use their work and how. This is what royalties are all about in music, and for code their are all sorts of variations (GNU licence, MIT licence, CC, etc.).

Just because someone publishes something on the internet does NOT imply they have done so under the "anyone can take it" license. It is also not realistic to say that just because you have enjoyed something for free in the past that you are somehow OWED that thing for free in perpetuity, considerations of the people actually sharing it be damned.

Even the long touted golden parachute of pirates and plagiarists (and sociopathic corporate criminals), the so-called "derivative works" blanket, has some fairly absolute criteria for admissibility in court. Specifically, said derivative work must introduce a "substantial amount of new material" in order to be considered legitimate use, which is virtually impossible in software as most courts have recognized code design as analogous to engineering schematics and that "unique way of doing things" has to be shown to have been changed substantially, which most pirates simply don't have the skill or interest to bother doing, else they would simply have done it themselves in the first place instead of trying to rip people off for it and CYA after the fact.

I believe fundamentally in the rights of artists FIRST, before any consideration of the demands of mere CONSUMERS who in the case of mods contribute VIRTUALLY NOTHING to the process (save the extreme minority who donate a couple bucks here and there) since there is no financial transaction involved, and yet too often express this profound and baseless sense of ENTITLEMENT which is an unhealthy and self-centrist detachment from reality based in a lack of underlying empathy or capacity (for whatever reason) to see the content creators as actual people with an actual interest in their own work (more than any claim the consumer thinks he has).

Mods can be used on a resume, for one example. But if an employer sees that someone came along later and changed the API version or something and put their name on it, they're going to say "oh, so this was a collaboration, so how much was actually THEIR skill and how much the other guy's?" How deeply they dig into version history and code comments to actually find out is anyone's guess but I promise, it is not in the artist's interest, particularly in this economy where ANYTHING on a resume to give you an edge is almost necessary, to let someone tweak a couple of lines in your song and claim joint credit.

There is also the fact that people are not exactly chomping at the bit to take over mod projects here. I mean if someone showed the INCENTIVE and actually produced a working update to some core issue then sure. Or even if they were just asking questions, showing they were trying to learn, offering to do some busy work part of the project, whatever. But without that effort, without the actual code, it would really just be a lot of talk about how they COULD do this and WOULD do that if they just got their name on it FIRST, which even then isn't something I have personally encountered much.

I get it, mods are convenient. But just because you like something doesn't mean you are OWED that thing. This isn't some fruity form of artistic communism where if I like your material I can just rip it off and do as I please with no consequences. This is a civilized society with rules and LAWS which recognize the need to protect artist's rights in order to INCENTIVIZE PRODUCTION.

Otherwise all we would be left with is a bunch of rip-off artists with limited skills with nothing to rip off, because the artists figured screw it, why put out the effort when it only goes to benefit some immortal corporate criminal who can steal it and turn a profit at my expense? I think not, and therein lies the crux or our stagnant modern intellectual property economy:

Too much greedy corporate manhandling, NOT ENOUGH INVESTMENT IN PEOPLE.

What is well done was anticipating user changes to the default bank rules and inheriting the current rules rather than the defaults. Can you perhaps now see what you can do about adding another filter function that returns the character's level? I would like to use that in the Low Level category conditions.

The "positive feedback" he offered was a smokescreen for derision and sarcasm. I "bit back" because his comment wasn't actually intended to be helpful. Even crafty35a saw the sarcasm and applauded it with "well said". Is that sarcasm supposed to inspire me to make an effort? No, it's intended to silence me.

I would be happy to contribute in whatever fashion that is possible, but I am not inspired by the salty responses. It's likely that I've been tweaking games, using mods, and altering mods longer than you've even been gaming. I have skills, but they are limited. As Dirty Harry said, "a man's got to know his limitations", and I know mine. I am blunt and tactless and have high expectations of myself and others. I don't "know" LUA (or any language at this point) inside-and-out, but I can analyze and modify others' code. Follow-through is not my strong suit, I have ADD and chase butterflies, but I can sometimes see the big picture where others don't and sweat details when others won't. I suggest collaboration precisely because I know my own limitations and know that others have them, too. Mods should never die just because of one person's limitations; the mod matters more than the individual(s) who creates it, egos be damned.

I'm honestly not sure what you are proposing. You want a "collaborative" effort but when a seasoned dev gives you positive feedback and suggests you visit the sites where most of the ESO devs hang out and work on the idea with them, you bite back snarling about lone wolf syndrome?

It sounds to me you weren't so much suggesting a collaboration as you were just having a pseudo-intellectual winge at other people for not having done the work for you. Might I suggest (when you have nothing to contribute) either keeping your mouth shut, or otherwise if you are truthfully just looking for a clever way to demand others do something you want for you, perhaps adopt a more enlightened tact?

I find that when one wants something from others, asking nicely can go a long way. It helps to train yourself to think of others as actual human beings no more or less valuable and certainly no less real than yourself. Even if empathy doesn't come naturally, you can train yourself to overcome that limitation through a simple benefit and loss analysis:

"When I treat others like they owe me something, are beneath me, or otherwise aren't really people but just objects that exist to serve me, I tend not to get what I want. When I treat people with respect (again you will have to practice in order to build up empirical evidence for this) I am more likely to inspire them to devote time and effort from their personal life, often for no financial gain whatsoever, to help me to achieve it."

I think this was covered somewhere in "How to Win Friends and Influence People."

You just can't get your head out of the lone wolf's ass, can you? You sarcastically proposed exactly the opposite of the collaborative effort I described. This lone-wolf syndrome is also how and why so many mods get relegated to the Discontinued bin. Have fun with perpetuating that stupidity. You and others don't seem to know how to do anything else, apparently.

Well said.

Anyways, home storage is now fully supported in Auto Category. v1.22 uploaded last night now allows custom settings for your home storage chests.

Wise words. You seem to have the time and will to support this, so go on and build it or make a concept on base of the esoui source code.
I'm very interested in your solution. Visit the gitter esoui channel and talk to the devs. Maybe your idea can become reality. Maybe you are going to support and update it then in the future years.

This and other mods need to properly catch up with the addition of home chests. I see the "support" for home chests is still a kludge that treats them as indistinct from AC_BAG_TYPE_BANK. That's not support for them.

What's needed is a mod to formalize how virtual game storage is handled in all mods: LibStorage. The community should recognize a common shared problem and collaborate on a shared solution, not everyone going off in the corner to invent their own solutions.

Thanks, rockingdice! I just uploaded a new version that supports home storage, everyone please let me know if you experience any major issues.